Tuesday, September 27, 2022

Jesus' Saving Act: Punishment in Our Place?

Just how did His suffering and death enable us to get to heaven? Was it by taking our punishment so we don't have to  undergo that 'requisite' punishment (aka Penal Substitution)? Or, was it a sacrifice that was significant enough to pay the debt we owed (or, to put it another way, enough to pay our way out of slavery into freedom, aka redemption)? 

Isaiah 53 seems to imply God punished the suffering servant (fulfilled in Jesus). But the observers in the scene "esteemed him smitten of God...", which can be taken as it only seemed to be the case, in their own perception. The text says he suffered and died, but does not attribute that as direct punishment from God. To be sure, his suffering/death was the will of God, in the permissive sense, but it was not punishment meted out by God, per se. Jesus' suffering/death was, first and foremost, the slaughtering of the sacrificial Lamb of God. In the OC, the unblemished lamb was sacrificed, was the sacrificial offering of something of value to God for the sins of the offerer.  That lamb was not PUNISHED in place of the offerer.  It was, to repeat, the offering of something of value to God for the sins of the offerer. It was a sin offering, as Jesus is described to be (but not sin itself). Only something of value could be acceptable for sacrifice. Note, that when a guy offered to David to give him a lamb to sacrifice, David responded "No, I will not offer to God a sacrifice that cost me nothing." Now, Jesus is the Lamb of God, the very Divine Being Himself, who is of INFINITE value and He offered Himself as the infinitely valuable, perfect Lamb of God, so he could pay the debt for our sins ("redeem" us) to avoid our damnation. Jesus' sacrifice was not punishment, strictly speaking, it was a sin offering.  Another Lamb prefigurement is the Passover Lamb. That lamb was sacrificed by killing it, and that lamb did not affect it's sacrifical purpose by God punishing it. Now, Jesus is the fulfillment/perfection of that lamb, He was sacrificed by killing Him, and He did not affect His sacrifical purpose by God punishing Him. Instead, He offered Himself up to be the sacrificial victim, His death to be the infinite payment to redeem us from Sin. Consequently, the doctrine of Penal Substitution is false.

Another consideration: In order to save us, Jesus didn't NECESSARILY have to be tortured and killed. He could have saved us merely by becoming human. Really, He didn't even HAVE to do that. He could have done it some other way, He's God.  But I think it was fitting, it was the best way, for Him to save us through His living as a man and suffering and dying. So, with that in mind, Penal Substitution is false from the outset because it PRESUMES God HAD to take out His wrath on, and punish, someone in order to save mankind. But that's not the case. Consequently, the doctrine of Penal Substitution is false.

Another consideration is the logical conundrum of the idea of the divine Father punishing the divine Son: Jesus is a person of the one divine Godhead. Each divine person in that Godhead is co-equal, co-eternal God. They are distinct persons but not separate. So, it is a metaphysical impossibility for the Father to lay His wrath on the Son, because they are both the one being. While it is true that with humans a father can mete out wrath on his son, that's because they are separate beings. God is one being, even if in three persons, so He cannot lay wrath on His Son. Consequently, the doctrine of Penal Substitution is false.

Another consideration: Jesus' free will. Jesus freely chose to suffer and die for us. If the idea of Penal Substitution were true, if Jesus HAD to be punished through torture and killing, He would have had no free will in being that Substitute. Consequently, the doctrine of Penal Substitution is false.

Another consideration: To say that Jesus HAD to suffer and die in our place implies that the consequence of our sinful nature is that we are personally due to be punished (suffering and death) in order to be reconciled to Him. But that's not true. The 'punishment' of Adam's Sin and our personal sins (really, the consequence of them) is that we are doomed to be forever separated from God. So, that being the case, if Jesus were to take our punishment in our place, He would have had to be separated from God forever. But, you can see that that is metaphysically impossible. Consequently, the doctrine of Penal Substitution is false.

Another consideration: Historicity. The idea of Penal Substitution is found nowhere in the body of Christian doctrine until the 16th century when it was proposed by some 'Protesting' Christians. It is not part of the original Gospel preached by the Apostles (as demonstrated by it's lack of existence for fifteen centuries). Saint Paul said "6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." (Gal 1). Penal Substitution is "another gospel", since it was not part of the Apostolic teaching. Consequently, the doctrine of Penal Substitution is false. It is a new and novel idea, amounting to a doctrine of man, and Jesus had a low opinion of that, saying "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." (Matt15:9). (The origin of Penal Substitution is just as fallacious as Muhammad's revelations and Joseph Smith's as well. They are all late-comers with their new and novel ideas.) Penal Substitution is demonstrably a doctrine invented by men. Consequently, the doctrine of Penal Substitution is false.


Friday, December 27, 2019

The Case for Catholicism

The Case for Catholicism, by Trent Horn, puts forth "Answers to Classic and Contemporary Protestant Objections", answering these important questions:

What is my authority?

What is the Church?

How am I Saved?

Who belongs to the Body of Christ?


The significance of this book regards Catholics who have left the Catholic Church, whether to apostacy (rejecting all faith), or in an effort to "find Jesus" (due to assuming He is not found in the Catholic Church) in a different Christian sect.  The question is, is there any reason why these "ex-Catholics" should return to full communion in the Church?

Sunday, May 5, 2019

Jesus' Church: in Scripture & History

The Word of God became a man, a descendant of David, and took His place on the throne and is presently ruling the restored/renewed Davidic kingdom of God, aka kingdom of Israel, kingdom of the LORD, kingdom of heaven (see Samuels, Kings, Chronicles, Psalms, Gospels, Acts).
Jesus called this restored kingdom His Church (Matt16:16ff). His Church is a visible society and a spiritual association, shepherded by men (Apostles, aka Bishops, per KJB) who lead, teach, guard and discipline the kingdom of God on earth. The Apostles were the first, foundational, generation of Bishops and their line of succession is still with us today.

In 2000 years, some of those bishops made some bad judgements/decisions and some were downright bad men who caused suffering among the flock. But, since Jesus promised that Hell would not prevail against His Church, those men were soon replaced with good men. Having such "weeds" among the "wheat" was predicted by Christ, in His parable of the wheat and the tares. So, having bad men among the Church is not a sign that the Church is bad, it actually supports the truth, overall, of the Church, since Jesus predicted it.

As to specific doctrines, practices, behaviors, crimes and judgements, let the discourse begin.... Peace of Christ to you all.

PS - I posted this to host a discussion with a youtuber who commented in our dialog that some part of our discussion was beyond the scope of that discussion. They have not, however, taken me up on this offer to get deeper in discussion on ecclesiology...

Monday, November 14, 2016

"Pray"... doesn't always mean "worship"...

"Pray":
Protestant or "other" Christians object to the Catholic practice of praying to folks in heaven. They see it as idolatry because to non-Catholics (Orthodox Christians excluded) use "pray" only in the sense of worshiping God. But a Catholic's prayer to a soul in heaven is not worship, therefore it is not idolatry. It is merely asking favors of our elder bretheren who are presently in heaven, seeking them to pray for us to God (in addition to our own prayers to God as well). This is exactly the same as my asking a brother on earth to pray for me. (The only remaining contention, then, would be whether or not our bretheren in heaven can hear us or pray for us, but that's a discussion for another thread). Catholic usage of the term "pray" is in line with historical usage (both in and out of Scripture) of English. For example, the original English edition of the novel Le Morte D'Artur uses "pray" in the petitional context. That book's English is contemporary with King James English.

In the New Testament "Pray" is most often used in context of petitioning and worshiping God but is also used to ask someone who is not God for a favor. These are two classical meanings of pray and KJV uses both. You're familiar with the plethora of instances of "pray" in context of petitioning/worshiping God, but Scripture also uses the mundane petitional meaning. Here are Bible examples of the mere petitional usage, asking a specific person for a favor:

Mark 5:17   And they began to pray him to depart out of their coasts.

 Mark 5:18   And when he was come into the ship, he that had been possessed with the devil prayed him that he might be with him.

  Mark 5:23   And besought him greatly, saying, My little daughter lieth at the point of death: I pray thee, come and lay thy hands on her, that she may be healed; and she shall live.

  Luke 14:18   And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.

  Luke 14:19   And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.

  Luke 16:27   Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

  John 4:31   In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat.

  Acts 8:34   And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

  Acts 10:48   And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

  Acts 16:9   And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us.

  Acts 23:18   So he took him, and brought him to the chief captain, and said, Paul the prisoner called me unto him, and prayed me to bring this young man unto thee, who hath something to say unto thee.
  Acts 24:4   Notwithstanding, that I be not further tedious unto thee, I pray thee that thou wouldest hear us of thy clemency a few words.

  Acts 27:34   Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you.

  2 Corinthians 8:4   Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift, and take upon us the fellowship of the ministering to the saints.

Tuesday, April 15, 2014

Bible Contradictions/Factual Errors (?)

The assertion that Scripture is false because it contradicts itself is not a new concept. Since the earliest centuries of Christianity there have been those who claim that Scripture cannot be inspired by God because it contradicts itself or contains errors of geography, or time inconsistencies, or other reasons. But, these perceived errors and contradictions are due to those folks' misunderstanding of the passages cited. Sound exegesis (considering the author, the target audience, the literary genre employed, the time, the place, the culture, the language, worldly events surrounding the writing)reveals that Scripture supports and compliments itself, never contradicting. Augustine addressed this issue back in ~400AD when he said
"...if any one is perplexed by the apparent contradiction, the only conclusion is that he does not understand. Accordingly it remains for me to explain how both passages, instead of being contradictory, may be harmonized by one rule of sound faith. The pious inquirer will find all perplexity removed by a careful examination." (http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/140611.htm)


Here are some links to lists of "errors", and explanations of correct understanding of them...

anti-Biblicans say:

a list of  "contradictions":
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

a list of "inconsistencies":
http://infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/inconsistencies.html

an Islamic viewpoint:
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/2666/viewall/



Refutations:

Introduction to Bible Difficulties and Bible Contradictions

A rebuttal of the "contradictions" and "inconsistencies"...
http://www.philvaz.com/apologetics/bible.htm





Similar to claims of intra-Biblical contradictions, some non-Catholics (usually anti-Catholics) suggest that some Catholic dogmatic teachings or "infallible" papal statements have contradicted other dogmatic statements. These suggestions are ultimately false, however. Like Scriptural "contradictions", context is the key. One contextual aspect of misunderstanding is the translation from the original language into English. Scripture is originally Hebrew and Greek and sometimes there's no direct word or phrase in a modern language to translate a Hebrew or Greek word or phrase. Or, for example, in the older English translation (ie KJV) an English word has different meaning or implication than it does today (ie "meat", "hell"). Likewise, an old Church document translated from Latin into English over a century ago can use the word "worship" regarding treatment of Mary. Back then "worship" did not mean or imply adoring Mary, as we adore/worship God as the source of life/love/salvation, which is the common meaning of "worship" today. It meant only honor and respect, then. (Refer to http://americanberean.blogspot.com/2013/08/honor-veneration-worship-adoration.html). (Popes have stated things that contradicted other popes, but those cases are not "infallible" statements, they are not contradictions of official teachings. Most folks don't understand what infallibility is. It's neither inspiration nor prophecy. It's only the Spirit preventing errors being taught as Truth. The pope is only infallible when addressing the whole Church, as the visible Church leader, on matters of faith or morals. For example, when a pope is addressing one person or region of the Church, even on matters of faith and morals, he is not prevented by the Spirit from erring.)



Wednesday, January 22, 2014

Sexual Crimes & Misconduct in Catholic and Other Institutions


Clerical Sexual Offenders in American Catholic Institutions:

Total number of Priests & Bishops in the USA since the 1965: 87,576 (http://cara.georgetown.edu/caraservices/requestedchurchstats.html). I arrived at that number by averaging the yearly ordinations listed on the table on that site. It lists 5-year increments, I used the average of those ordinations listed to get a yearly ordination rate and added that to the 1965 number of priests/bishops.



According to http://bishop-accountability.org/, since the mid-20th century...

3,933 (4.5% of all priests & bishops) priests/bishops were ACCUSED of sexual offences.
13 (0.3% of Accused) priests/bishops were ACQUITTED.
69 (1.8% of Accused) priests/bishops were ARRESTED.
21 (0.5% of Accused) priests/bishops were CHARGED.
2 (0.05% of Accused) priests/bishops were CLEARED.
445 (11.3 % of Accused) priests/bishops were CONVICTED.
15 (0.4 % of Accused) priests/bishops were INDICTED.
5 ( % of Accused) priests/bishops were NOT GUILTY/REINSTATED/RET'D TO DUTY.
1279 ( 32.5% of Accused) priests/bishops were SUED.
366 ( 9.3% of Accused) priests/bishops SETTLED to avoid being Sued.
1 priests/bishops sued had SUIT WITHDRAWN.
1,717 (43.7% of Accused) priests/bishops were merely ACCUSED (falsly? ie, no further legal action?) .

Compared to the total number of priests and bishops in the American Church over those years...

4.5% (3,933) of ALL Priests & Bishops were ACCUSED (includes legal actions/verdicts above, including merely accused) of Sexual Offense.
0.5% (445) of ALL Priests & Bishops were actually CONVICTED of Sexual Offense.
1.4% (1,279) of ALL Priests & Bishops were SUED for Sexual Offense.
0.4% (366) of ALL Priests & Bishops SETTLED out of court for Sexual Offense.
2.0% (1,717) of ALL Priests & Bishops were merely ACCUSED for Sexual Offense.

Of the Accused 4.5% of the priesthood, almost half of those accusations (43.7%) didn't pan out beyond accusation (at least not as of publication of that table which I am referring). That means a more accurate number for maybe-guilty priests is 3933-1717=2216 = 2.5% of the priesthood. The percentage of the total number of priests, who are proven guilty is 0.5%. Those who were POSSIBLY guilty (sued/settled) tallies at 1.8%. So, assuming (for the sake of argument) that all those who were sued/settled were indeed guilty, the maximum percentage of the priesthood who are sexual offenders is 2.3%.


Another source has a larger number of total priests than my derived figure of 87,576. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/21/AR2007102100144_pf.html
"A review by America's Catholic bishops found that about 4,400 of 110,000 priests were accused of molesting minors from 1950 through 2002."
Using that figure, the total ACCUSED is 3.5%,  the CONVICTED is 0.4%, the CONVICTED+SUED/SETTLED is 1.8%.


Those sexual offender numbers are from 1965 onward. In the 2000's the Church established policies and procedures  to reduce pervert priests among the clerical ranks. Since then, there have been on average per year, 7 credible allegations against priests (who number about 40,000). That means that presently, the number of pervert priests averages about .0002% of all priests in any given year.

Media Predictably Goes Silent As Catholic Abuse Allegations Fall To Lowest Levels
Sex Abuse Scandal Rocks Public Schools (while being unreported) while in the Catholic Realm in recent years an average of 7 credible allegations are made (among 40,000 priests)
http://www.catholicleague.org/sex-abuse-scandal-rocks-public-schools/

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-sex-abuse-a-catholic-problem

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Offenders in Non-Catholic Christian Organizations:

Protestants :
http://www.reformation.com/   

http://www.catholicleague.org/sexual-abuse-in-social-context-catholic-clergy-and-other-professionals/

https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/9/1/27/pdf


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Offenders in Secular Organizations:

Doctors Sexually abusing folks:




Public Schools:

Per http://nces.ed.gov/programs/crimeindicators/crimeindicators2011/index.asp  as to violence in general:
In 2010, data from the National Crime Victimization Survey23 showed that more victimizations were committed against students ages 12–18 at school than away from school. Students ages 12–18 experienced about 828,400 nonfatal victimizations (theft24 and violent crime25 ) at school,26 compared to about 652,500 nonfatal victimizations away from school (table 2.1). 27 These figures represent total crime victimization rates of 32 crimes per 1,000 students at school and 26 victimizations per 1,000 students away from school.

So, kids are safer out of school than in school.

As to teacher-student sexual abuse,...

http://www.hofstra.edu/pdf/about/administration/provost/hofhrz/hofhrz_s03_shakeshaft.pdf
"Even when students allege abuse and the district responds, few students, families or school districts report this sexual abuse to the police or other law enforcement officials. As a result, most cases are not logged into the criminal justice system. Instead, abusers are dealt with using internal channels. In
one of my early studies of 225 cases of educator sexual abuse in New York, none of the abusers were reported to authorities, and only 1 percent lost the license to teach."

Sexual predators in Public Schools, when caught, were shuffled around the school system.

http://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf


For the following article, I don't know who's plagiarizing whom, here... This story is repeated virtually verbatim at each of these sites. It refers to an "Associated Press investigation" on sexual misconduct of public school authority figures (teachers, coaches, principals, etc).
http://www.komonews.com/news/content/10690766.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/21/AR2007102100144_pf.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-plague-of-sexual-misconduct-in-schools/

Here's the summary of the AP's study: http://hosted.ap.org/specials/interactives/_national/teacher_sex/index.html?SITE=IACOU
But, I haven't found the source data.







Tuesday, January 21, 2014

The Way and the When of Apostolic/Early-Christian Worship

Scripture and the Early Christian Writings give us an idea of the communal worship of the earliest  Christians... they "broke bread", read Scriptures, gave money for the benefit of the congregation, received a blessing. 

OT backdrop: In Genesis 14 Abram meets with the Priest of God, Melchizedek. The priest shares bread & wine with him and gives God's blessing and Abram gives a tithe of his income.

17  And the king of Sodom went out to meet him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king’s dale.
18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
21 And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself.
22 And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the Lord, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,

Malachi says that in the future (relative to that prophet's time) a perfect sacrifice will be offered repeatedly, throughout the world, among all nations, until the end of time...

Malachi 1
11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the Lord of hosts.

That prophecy is fulfilled in the institution and continuing daily celebration of the Lord's Supper. In every region of the world, every day, a Mass is celebrated, which Catholics believe is the actualization, the re-presenting, of the once-in-time sacrifice of the Lamb of God: Jesus.

The Gospels of Matthew,Mark and Luke (sometimes referred to as the "synoptic" gospels) describe Jesus celebrating/instituting the New Passover feast, He Himself being the perfect Lamb of God which is sacrificed for us.


Acts 2
42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Here we see that in the common worship they studied the Apostolic teachings together, prayed together and "broke bread" together. To "break bread" means to celebrate the Lord's Supper. To just eat for nourishment they used a phrase like "eat meat" or "take food", as in Acts2:46...

46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,


Acts 20
7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

So, in the Apostolic age, the Christians gathered together on Sunday (the first day of the week) to read the Apostles' writings and the OT Scriptures and hear preaching and worship God and celebrate the memorial of the Last Supper. 

According to early Christian writings of the late- and post-Apostolic era, the Last Supper memorial was the re-presentation of the sacrifice of the Lamb of God. The bread and wine, they believed, actually became the flesh & blood of that Passover Lamb and they ate that Passover Lamb (Jesus), as directed by God in Exodus and by Jesus in the Gospels. (The original Passover Lamb meal foreshadowed the New Covenant Passover meal which is the Eucharist (the Lord's Supper) as instituted by Christ).

The following text extracts, from the first & second centuries, describe the weekly Sunday worship. Without the attributions of the sources, you might think these came from the modern catechism or from someone's description of the modern Catholic Mass...

Didache (circa 100 AD) Ch 14

But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations.


Justin Martyr (100 - 165 AD)

First Apology Ch 66

And this food is called among us Εὐχαριστία [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins[Baptism], and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, This do in remembrance of Me, Luke 22:19 this is My body; and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, This is My blood; and gave it to them alone.

Ch 67

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sundayall who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all risetogether and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.


Dialogue with Trypho, Ch 41
[Trypho was a Jewish man Justin was teaching or lecturing or debating or something...]

Hence God speaks by the mouth of Malachi, one of the twelve [prophets], as I said before, about the sacrifices at that time presented by you: 'I have no pleasure in you, says the Lord; and I will not accept your sacrifices at your hands: for, from the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same, My name has been glorified among the Gentiles, and in every place incense is offered to My name, and a pure offering: for My name is great among the Gentiles, says the Lord: but you profane it.' Malachi 1:10-12 [So] He then speaks of those Gentiles, namely us, who in every place offer sacrifices to Him, i.e., the bread of the Eucharist, and also the cup of the Eucharist, affirming both that we glorify His name, and that you profane [it].

Dialogue with Trypho, Ch 117

Accordingly, God, anticipating all the sacrifices which we offer through this name, and which Jesus the Christ enjoined us to offer, i.e., in the Eucharist of the bread and the cup, and which are presented by Christians in all places throughout the world, bears witness that they are well-pleasing to Him....
 For there is not one single race of men, whether barbarians, or Greeks, or whatever they may be called, nomads, or vagrants, or herdsmen living in tents, among whom prayers and giving of thanks are not offered through the name of the crucified Jesus. And then, as the Scriptures show, at the time when Malachi wrote this, your dispersion over all the earth, which now exists, had not taken place.


Ignatius of Antioch (circa 50 - 110AD)

Smyrneans:
They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again.

Philadelphians:
Take heed, then, to have but one Eucharist. For there is one flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ, and one cup to [show forth ] the unity of His blood; one altar; as there is one bishop, along with the presbytery and deacons, my fellow-servants: that so, whatsoever you do, you may do it according to [the will of] God.

Magnesians 9:
If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death— whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master



Pliny the Younger, a Roman persecutor described the Christian worship (circa 112 AD)

...They declared that the sum total of their guilt or error amounted to no more than this: they had met regularly before dawn on a fixed day to chant verses alternately among themselves in honor of Christ as if to a god, and also to bind themselves by oath, not for any criminal purpose, but to abstain from theft, robbery and adultery, to commit no breach of trust and not to refuse to return a deposit upon demand. After this ceremony it had been their custom to disperse and later to take food of an ordinary harmless kind. 

("to bind themselves by oath": in Greek, oath is sacramentum, the root of our word sacrament. The seven Sacraments are covenental oaths with which God blesses us.)


References:

Early Christian Writings
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/

Topical quotes from the Early Christian Writings
http://www.staycatholic.com/early_church_fathers.htm

Fordham's Ancient History Sourcebook: Christianity
http://www.fordham.edu/Halsall/ancient/asbook11.asp

"Setting your house in order"
http://blog.adw.org/2014/04/set-your-house-in-order-in-four-easy-steps/


Sunday, January 12, 2014

Trinity: OT-NT



Hebrews 1
GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.


Wisdom 7 (KJV)
25: For she is the breath of the power of God, and a pure influence flowing from the glory of the Almighty: therefore can no defiled thing fall into her.
26: For she is the brightness of the everlasting light, the unspotted mirror of the power of God, and the image of his goodness.
27: And being but one, she can do all things: and remaining in herself, she maketh all things new: and in all ages entering into holy souls, she maketh them friends of God, and prophets.
28: For God loveth none but him that dwelleth with wisdom.
29: For she is more beautiful than the sun, and above all the order of stars: being compared with the light, she is found before it.

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Jesus, walking on the water, meant to "pass by" the disciples in the boat. This means he intended to give them a glimpse of His glorious divinity, just enough to convey His majesty but not so much to kill them. (For a sinful mortal to look on His full glorious divinity meant death because nothing less than holy can exist in His full presence.) The phrase "pass by" is used in Exodus with Moses, and in Kings with Elijah. God "passed by" them to gift them with the experience of seeing God without being killed.

Mark6
48 And he saw them toiling in rowing; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night he cometh unto them, walking upon the sea, and would have passed by them.

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Thursday, January 9, 2014

Jesus Really Was Born on Dec 25, In All Liklihood...


This article breaks it down...

http://www.catholicherald.com/stories/Was-Jesus-really-born-Dec-25,24876


However, there is a case to be made for another date... historical/astronomical/astrological evidence... ("astrology" not in the modern sense of fortune-telling, but in the sense of noting stars/planets and interpreting the positions in the context of Scriptural prophesies regarding coming events)...

http://www.bethlehemstar.net/


Sunday, December 29, 2013

Saved by Faith Alone?

What about those other things, according to Scripture, by which we are saved? As Paul puts it in Ephesians 2 "by grace ye are saved through faith." Notice, "through" faith. Not "by" faith.

It takes more than faith all by itself to save someone. Scripture demonstrates that there is but one thing that "alone" can be considered to save us: grace. Without the helping grace (termed Actual Grace) from God we cannot respond positively to His offer of salvation. Only by cooperating with that grace can we possibly consider accepting His gift. After that, in order to be justified and sanctified and ultimately get into heaven, we must believe (have faith) and repent and be baptized and obey and love. Faith is first, after grace, but these other things must follow, while being based on that faith. Neglecting any of these can lead to loss of salvation, but doing all these things without underlying faith will do nothing for you in the first place. It's not that these "works" cause our salvation, but that these works are required in order to grow in sanctity and even to remain in the justified state. Justification is simply the state of divine son-ship. To be justified is to be an adopted child of God. Baptism is the Sacrament of initiation into God's family (as circumcision was, in the Old Covenant). It is a sign and it brings about the regeneration of the believer, by the Holy Spirit indwelling him. This indwelling is also called Sanctifying Grace. This grace differs from the initial grace God gave us in order to enable us to accept His gift. ("Prevenient Grace" is a term used by the Reformers to describe the initial Actual Grace we need in order to be able to accept the gift. We receive actual grace throughout our lives to help us grow. The Sacraments are the primary means of dispensing this grace but we can also receive these graces through other ways of obedience to God, such as fasting & prayer & good works, etc., done in faith.)

Salvation by faith alone is actually a new & novel concept, popular among Christians for less than 500 years. Historically, until the 1500's, this doctrine cannot be found, at least not among the early Christian writings.( http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/page5.html,
http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/fathers.html . Here's a piece by a former Catholic presenting evidence that the church Fathers did believe in Faith Alone: http://www.girdedwithtruth.org/2009/09/21/sola-fide-by-faith-alone/#.Ufq6Rm0pjNE, but as you can see in matt1618's page, those quotes are isolated from the rest of the Father's writings and hence are taken out of context. )



Grace is necessary, unearned & unmerited:


Romans 3
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Ephesians 1
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Ephesians 2
AND you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Titus 3:
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.



Faith is also necessary:

This is the first necessary reaction to the grace God gives everyone. Without faith you'll never really repent. Without faith, it won't matter if you're baptized and obey and love. Those things depend on underlying faith for them to be effective. (Notice these passages don't say "faith alone". They simply state that faith is necessary, not that faith is the exclusive means by which we are saved.)

Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

John 3
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.


Romans 3
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Galatians 3:14
"...that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith."


Galatians 5
"6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."


... but faith alone won't get you into God's family...




Repentance is also necessary:

After we come to believe, we must repent of our sinful ways...

In the Gospels you'll see that people are called to "repent", not mentioning faith. (Faith is presumed, however.) Matthew 3:2, 3:8, 3:11, 4:17, 9:13, 11:20, 11:21, 12:41.

Acts 2:37-38
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 3
19  Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord

Acts 5
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.


Acts 8
22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.


Acts 11
18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.


Acts 17
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:


Acts 20
21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.


Acts 26
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judæa, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.





Baptism is also necessary:

Then we must be baptized, in order to be brought in to God's family. We don't just believe ourselves into God's family. We believe and repent and are baptized into the body of Christ...

Under the Old Covenant a requisite of membership was circumcision. Even a non-Israelite could join God's covenant family by circumcision. And it was mandatory for Israelites, in order to be in covenant with God. (Moses failed to circumcise his son and almost died because of it. Zippora's intervention by circumcising the boy saved Moses.)

The New Covenant has fulfilled & superceded the Old. The sign of this New Covenant is Baptism (Colossians 2:11). Baptism is an oath of the Covenant. The latin word for oath is sacramentum. That's why Catholics call Baptism a Sacrament. Basically, a Sacrament is a visible sign of an invisible reality (the imparting of Grace). A Sacrament is a visible sign instituted by Christ to give grace in order to sanctify us, to conform us to God.

We don't just believe ourselves into God's family, we are baptized into it.

Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:37-38
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


Acts 19
AND it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
 
1 Cor 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Gal 3:26-27
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Romans 6:3-4
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Ephesians 4:4-5

There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
 
Colosians 2:10-13
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

1Peter 3: 18-21

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Baptism cleanses, regenerates us...

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1Corintians 6:
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
1Peter 3: 18-21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ

Titus 3:
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

...then we work out our salvation with fear and trembling by loving and obeying...


Love is also necessary...

(In older translations "charity" is the noun form of love, "love" is the verb form)

John 13
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

John 14
15If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him
 


1 Corinthians 13:
THOUGH I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.


Galatians 5
"6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love."


Obedience is also necessary...

John 14
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

If a believer commits certain sins after being born again into God's family, he will lose his inheritance (his justification)...
1Corintians 6
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Likewise in Ephesians 6... Paul is addressing believers, telling them to "walk as children of light" and not do such things, because doing them would mean they would not get to heaven.


It seems we are also justified by what we say...

Mattew 12
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Perhaps Matthew 12:37 should be interpreted in the context of Paul's statement that we are saved if we believe and confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord. Even so, this shows that we are saved by more than just our faith.

Romans 10
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

And, lastly, we must persevere in that saved state to the end of our earthly life...

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life

Galatians 6:9
And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

Hebrews 3:14
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
 
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

In closing, we are not justified by faith alone. Through grace we can have faith and that faith enables us, and is absolutely critical, to be a child of God. Without faith, additional grace and these other requirements of justification are fruitless. But also, without these "works" faith is unfruitful, unsaving. On the other hand, if we neglect these "works" we might not see heaven. It's what's in the heart that counts. That's how the thief on the cross was saved by his faith "alone". Even though he could not go on to be baptized, etc, he still was saved because he had faith and likely would have done those things had he the chance.

The idea of "salvation by faith alone" (aka "Sola Fide") is a new & novel doctrine of men (or, a man), not found in documentary history of Christianity, except maybe among sects which were heretical in other ways as well (ie denial of the humanity or divinity of Christ). Contrary to that, the idea of salvation by faith plus works wrought in that faith, is traceable to the Apostolic age. Here's what early Christian writings show us on what the post-Apostolic Christians believed of justification: http://www.staycatholic.com/ecf_justification.htm


References:

King James Bible used for Scripture quotes:
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/thebible.htm

Faith v Works:
http://catholicbridge.com/catholic/faith_vs_works.php

Historicity of Faith Alone:
http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/page5.html
http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/fathers.html

Justification by Christ Alone, by James Akin:
http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/christ_a.htm

Salvation: Past, Present, Future by James Akin
http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/pastpres.htm
Comparing Catholic & Protestant understandings of Justification:
http://vivacatholic.wordpress.com/223-2/

Catholic Encyclopedia on Justification:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08573a.htm

The Process of Justification, part of a study of Paul's letter to the Galatians:
http://www.instituteofcatholicculture.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Galatians_Handout.pdf